Psychologist and strategist Dr. Renee Lertzman explores what it means for humans -- sustainability professionals in particular -- to lead amid the multiple crises we're confronting. Given the high stakes, how can we model a new way of leading, that’s based on “radical attunement” to ourselves, teams, colleagues, and stakeholders? Sharing insights from the frontlines of leadership, she invites us to reimagine our roles as guides for change.

Dr. Renée Lertzman (PhD, Founder, Project InsideOut) in conversation with Michiel Bakker (Vice President, Global Workspace Porgrams, at Google) about climate change as "existential change management" on leading change at scale inside a big company, and the implications for sustainability leadership going forward.

How do we navigate the emotional rollercoaster of leading on climate, when the stakes are so high and the challenges so immense? Many of us on the front lines of climate change confront an array of emotional ups and downs. From feeling hopeful and energized, to moments of overwhelm and frustration, we’ve all been there (sometimes all on the same day). How can we stay effective, grounded and sane? How can we avoid the pitfalls of “toxic positivity” or falling into despair?

How will organizations work to reach net-zero by 2050 and close the gap between commitment and action for good? Listen in on The Times and industry experts like Renée.